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Transcription & Audio: Workforce Development Subcommittee initial meeting July 6, 2022 Rep Chuck Martin, Chairman – #GeorgiaChamberOfCommerce

July 7, 2022 By D.A. King

 

Workforce Development Subcommittee of the House Higher education Committee

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Rev.com divided the transcription on two parts. In part two, the transcriber used the entire instruction to label the “first voice heard…”, who was Chairman Rep Chuck Martin. Also the spelling of Rep Ginny Ehrhart is wrong in the below.

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Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (00:02)
Okay. Good morning, everyone. I think we, uh, have a good turnout here. If I’m looking at our member directory, um, right with the, uh, the folks that are logged in, uh, and our, um, uh, staff.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (00:16)
I wanna thank [inaudible 00:00:17] Services for getting us put together and, uh, [inaudible 00:00:20] by now, I’ll be looking left and right. It’s not that I’m looking away from you, I’m on, uh… A machine that has a camera in front of me, but my, uh, uh, computer screen with the, uh, information I need on it is to my left, so you’ll see me looking a-a bit away.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (00:35)
Um, a-again, I wanna w-welcome everybody this morning. I’ll go over, uh, briefly what we gonna, uh, uh, try to accomplish today, uh, and then get right into it. First, uh, I wanna recognize, uh, our staff that I think has joined us. Uh, Kayla [inaudible 00:00:50], in our office. Brittany B-… Valentine, uh, is, is in our office. One or both of them are online with us.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (00:57)
Cortney George, with House Budget and Research, uh, will be with us this morning, and will be, um, um, supporting us through, uh, our subcommittee. Our wanna welcome all the members, I’ll get to you guys a little bit, uh, later. Uh, we also have some other representatives that are on the, um, uh, call this morning, uh, i-in the, the call with us in the room, if you will.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (01:19)
[inaudible 00:01:19], we have representatives from the University of Georgia. The Technical College, uh, System of Georgia. Georgia State Finance, the Georgia Chamber, and the Metro Chamber, uh, so welcome to you all, and welcome to everyone watching online.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (01:35)
This was, uh, uh, done today via Zoom, so that we could take care of, uh, some housekeeping and some, um, general, uh, [inaudible 00:01:45] as we notice, [inaudible 00:01:46] introduction to review some key points that we would be looking at during the sanction (session?), o-of the subcommittee and to talk about scheduling of future meetings.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (01:56)
So, that’s what we intend to do today. I hope to do it in, in an hour or less. So, we’ll go straight through, uh, without breaks. Uh, a-along those lines, what I’d like to do next is, um, and I’m gonna ask Brittany, or, or Kayla, or Cortney, uh, if want… If you could help us, kinda keep b-b-brief notes of this.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (02:15)
But I’m going to go to each of the members, um, and ask them to, to give a brief introduction, you know, what part of Georgia they represent, and, um, a, a, a thought, uh, on, on what you think we can do with this committee. Uh, or and… We’ll, we’ll dive into those into, um, i-into more depth later, but just a brief, uh… I’d like to [inaudible 00:02:37], uh, if I can this morning, with the vice chairman of the committee, uh, [inaudible 00:02:41], are you with us, [inaudible 00:02:42]?

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (02:49)
[inaudible 00:02:49]

Jenny (Rep  Ginny Ehrhart): (02:51)
Yes, I’m here. So-

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (02:52)
Okay.

Jenny: (02:53)
Yes, I’m here. Sorry about that.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (02:56)
So, j-j-… Um, just give us a, a brief introduction, s-something, you know, you think we, uh, wanna, wanna touch on, on the impact we can make and, um, w-w-… I’d say unpack it at a, at a, at a lighter time, but just as, as part of the introduction.

Jenny: (03:11)
Right, um, well, you know, I’m just always appreciative for anything we can do in the State, in terms of workforce development, and I often say I, I kinda, from a little bit of a personal perspective, I’m actually, um, at my office right now in Kennesaw, Georgia, in a… Running a business that I started in my basement about five years ago, and now have 62 employees.

Jenny: (03:29)
Uh, my, my company partners with Georgia Cyber Academy. Uh, [inaudible 00:03:33] employees, we have high school students, got college students, um, so I’m always encouraged, uh, anything that we can do, I-I’m thrilled to be on the committee and e-… And excited to kinda see what we can do with… How is it gonna affect the lives of, you know, small businesses like myself, so, so, thank you again Mr. Chairman, for all the work and research you done, and I’m , I’m, I’m really looking forward to it.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (03:52)
Great, tha-… Thanks Jenny. Um, I was gonna get [inaudible 00:03:55] meeting Patty Bentley, um, next. I don’t know if Patty is with us. I don’t see her on, online. We’ll come back to Patty, um, next and just go in then in alphabetical order is, uh, Chairman [inaudible 00:04:09] with us? I don’t see him on the list, yeah… This morning, either.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (04:12)
Um, so, Chairman Dickey, I see you up there. Welcome. How you doing?

Chairman Dickey: (04:18)
I’m great, just wanna [inaudible 00:04:19], looking forward to, uh, [inaudible 00:04:21] for putting this together. Um, in the middle of our peak season right here, in Middle Georgia, and, uh, glad to get some rain and things going well, although we do have some supply chain issues, mainly due to workforce. Uh, getting some containers and boxes, and that sort of thing, uh, to ship our peaches in.

Chairman Dickey: (04:40)
But, um, I represent five counties, right here in Middle Georgia area, and, uh, Chairman of Ag Committee, and, uh, a-agriculture’s dear to my heart, but, uh, uh, [inaudible 00:04:54] and education is sort of key.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (04:57)
Thank you, Chairman Dickey. Um, n-next, the chairman of our House Education Committee, uh, [inaudible 00:05:02], you with us?

Matt Dubnik: (05:04)
Yes, sir. Good morning, Mr. Chairman. Um, Matt Dubnik, from Gainesville, representing Gainesville, Oakwood and other parts [inaudible 00:05:12] county, and as you said [inaudible 00:05:14] house, K-12 Education Committee and, and like Chairman Dickey just mentioned, agriculture is, is key to what we do, and is key to our State’s economy.

Matt Dubnik: (05:24)
Um, but I’m [inaudible 00:05:25] a-across every industry, Chairman Martin, that, that in my day job at w-… In the marketing business, any industry, any client, any size, anywhere, people are saying the same thing.

Matt Dubnik: (05:36)
I could grow my business if, if we had more, more qualified people and, and, uh, to, to fill those jobs and, and, and looking very specifically at some, some targeted stem, and agriculture focus [inaudible 00:05:50] on this committee.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (05:52)
Thank you, Chairman Dubnik. That’s, uh, that, that’s all so much great information and I, and I agree. I’m hearing the, hearing the same thing so, think what we, we wanna do when we get to again later in the committee is, how, how do we do that in the short-medium and long-term, uh, to, to bring, um, something to bear and, and help our businesses.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (06:10)
I see, uh, um, secretary of the committee, uh, Patty Bentley has joined us. I’m m-… I’ma back up and, and get in our secretary.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (06:17)
Good morning, Representative Bentley. You, you on mute. Unmute ya. There you go.

Patty Bentley: (06:26)
Good morning, [inaudible 00:06:26]. Um, I’m excited to see all of you today. I’m so sorry that unfortunately, I won’t be able stay all very long, we have a funeral service today, um, but I’m excited about, uh, the, the work that we [inaudible 00:06:40], um, accomplish, uh, on this committee, addressing the workforce issue [inaudible 00:06:47] so, thank you for having me.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (06:49)
Thank you. Thank you, uh, Patty. Uh, next, going down, um, is Betsy Holland, Representative Holland, are you with us? There you are, I see you up there, Representative Holland.

Betsy Holland: (06:59)
Mr. Chairman, thank you, and so, I represent a chunk of North Georgia, right [inaudible 00:07:04] North Atlanta, entirely within Fulton County. [inaudible 00:07:08] some of my colleagues, I’ve been 25 year veteran of the corporate business [inaudible 00:07:12] here in Atlanta, that’s facing a lot of the same concerns that we have. High paying, high quality, high benefit jobs, and how important it is for us to find talent, hopefully that’s homegrown here in Georgia, rather than having to seek it from other cities, or seeing some of those jobs go to other cities, because we can’t source the talent, um, here in Georgia. So, I’m pretty excited about the things that we can do here [inaudible 00:07:35].

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (07:35)
Awesome, and thank you, thank you for joining us. We gonna go down to the coast now, Representative Jackson, Edna Jackson, are you, uh, out there with us? I saw you earlier.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (07:54)
Representative Jackson, if you trying to talk us, you on mute.

Edna Jackson: (07:56)
Thank you. Can you hear me?

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (07:56)
There you are. Yes, mam.

Edna Jackson: (08:03)
Okay. Thank you. It’s just a pleasure, thank you for the appointment to serve on this committee. I’m always interested in eco-… Economic development, and also things that can be done, down here on the lower end of Georgia, the coastal part of Georgia.

Edna Jackson: (08:17)
My interest goes into workforce development. I represent so many different areas, Garden City, uh, Thunderbolt, the inner-city of Georgia, everyth-… The inner-city of Savannah, and all along the northern end. So, I’m looking forward to working with you, of course you know, there is a lot of development that is coming into this area.

Edna Jackson: (08:41)
I’m hoping that we gonna talk about jobs that will be offered. How do we get together and offer, through our institutions, uh, uh, jobs that can assist us in getting more people to go into certain areas where the jobs really are.

Edna Jackson: (09:00)
So, this is just an honor to be a part of this committee.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (09:04)
Thank you, Representative Jackson. Thank you for joining us, I’m… I’m back up. I see, uh, Representative, Chairman K-… Uh, Kasey Carpenter has joined. Uh, Chairman Carpenter, we just doing an introduction and if you, you wanna provide us a brief word about what you may, uh, like to see us look into, and we will… We will get the, the details of it, here after introductions.

Kasey Carpenter: (09:23)
Absolutely. So, [inaudible 00:09:25] Carpenter, Northwest Georgia, Dalton Whitfield County, um, a manufacturing hub for the state of Georgia, and I’m personally in the service industry, hospitality industry, I’m in the restaurant industry, and obviously my, my desires from this [inaudible 00:09:39] to, to figure out pipelines that are untapped, as far as [inaudible 00:09:43] goes in the State of Georgia.

Kasey Carpenter: (09:44)
People that we’ve educated. There are K-12 system, so I look forward to working with everybody. I actually had the great opportunity of eating Chairman Dickey’s peaches this morning with my pancakes for breakfast-

Edna Jackson: (09:55)
Ah! (laughs)

Kasey Carpenter: (09:57)
On the, on the Gulf Coast. So, uh, I look forward to, uh, spending little of my vacation time on this fine and, uh, outstanding group you’ve put together.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (10:07)
Thank you, Chairman Carpenter. Never, never bad time to shout out for, uh, Dickey’s peaches down there, never a bad time to, to have that shout out. Um, okay, going down, I think, uh, Representative Parker, I, I see you down there. Um, Good morning, Sam.

Sam Park: (10:24)
Good morning, Mr. Chairman, uh, so thank, thanks for having me-

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (10:27)
Sam, Sam [inaudible 00:10:28].

Sam Park: (10:30)
It’s just a nice bathroom. (laughs)

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (10:32)
Yes, sir.

Sam Park: (10:33)
We got a little fancy. Uh, but, um, State Representative for House District 101, uh, [inaudible 00:10:40] Lawrenceville, Suwanee [inaudible 00:10:42].

Sam Park: (10:44)
Um, this is, [inaudible 00:10:46] development is such a important issue. Um, I’m kind of interested in the subject from a few different angles. Uh, one, is short-term, long-term perspective. I think there’s a lot of, uh, things that this committee and, and [inaudible 00:11:00] address some of the short-term needs, and then there’s some [inaudible 00:11:03] part of the Legislation Act, Kasey Carpenter has introduced, that will address some of those [inaudible 00:11:08], uh, workforce shortages.

Sam Park: (11:11)
But I’m also interested at looking at [inaudible 00:11:13] looking at education, uh, from early childhood development [inaudible 00:11:22], uh, to higher education, whether that’s a USG institution, or a TCSG institution. Um, and then the [inaudible 00:11:30], on certainly, um, being a better understanding of the needs of both [inaudible 00:11:35] chamber.

Sam Park: (11:37)
Uh, but to ensure that the next generation virgins and, and students, um, really have the skills and capacity, uh, to adapt [inaudible 00:11:49] driven by technological [inaudible 00:11:50] higher education institutions, but, looking forward [inaudible 00:11:51] conversation and, and certainly, uh, happy to be within the service to, to meet Mr. Chairman and, and this committee.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (12:05)
Thank you. Thank you, Representative Park. Uh, great comments. I, I agree with ya. I think the short and long term, we have to look at both of them, um, and then I think some of the things that, uh, we could do, are gonna start in, in K-12 and, and again that’s not saying K-12 is doing wrong things now, but I, I think there, uh… If we, if we look across the, the pond at some places, um, there, there can be some, um, tweaks made and improvements, uh, that, that might help us, uh, maybe a decade down the road by, by the time it gets to workforce but, uh, we, we can look at all of those thing, we’ll count on Chairman Dubnik to, uh, to help us with that.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (12:40)
Uh, is, um, Chairman Pirkle here? It’s, uh, Clay Pirkle, I didn’t see him on, on, on the list, he may have not been able to get with us this morning. Um, uh, then we’ll go to, uh, [inaudible 00:12:52], I see you just popped up there.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (12:54)
You, you know the alphabet, you knew you were next.

Marcus: (12:56)
Good morning, Chairman.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (12:57)
Good morning.

Marcus: (12:58)
Uh, yes, sir. I’m paying attention to the [inaudible 00:13:00]. Um, I… I’m over in the Athens, Watkinsville area, District 119, uh, home of [inaudible 00:13:08], but, uh, you know, as far as this committee goes, I mean, I think you heard from several people already, I think the… One of the best things that lends us, uh, to serve Georgia well, is that it is [inaudible 00:13:20]. We all are in our own facets of business. Uh, I, myself am in the construction industry.

Marcus: (13:26)
We, we operate in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and certainly know the, uh, effects of [inaudible 00:13:33] workforce or the need for, for, uh, for the development. Um, I spent a good amount of time actually going to talk to technical schools, trying to, you know, encourage the construction management world, to come, to come into… To come in our, our [inaudible 00:13:48], if you will, and, um, just look forward to hear what everybody has to say and continue develop programs such as that.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (13:55)
Thank you, thank you, uh, Markus. That’s a… G-great thoughts, I mean, good construction, you know, may as… But that’s s-s-something I saw, uh, um, a few weeks ago. I was looking in, and then they were, they were talking about engineers and, and, not all engineers have to [inaudible 00:14:11], I mean its, uh, they were, they were just discussing what people think of the engineering field and construction management and it, it can be a lot of different things. You can make it what you want to be and, uh, maybe we do a better job of what, uh, students know both traditional, you know, graduates from people that are, you know, [inaudible 00:14:29] back into the workforce, what, what’s available to them.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (14:30)
Uh, listen, somebody, uh, on here, via phone, I wanna make sure that wasn’t Chairman Pirkle, um, uh, s-six, f-five, five, seven, was that you, Chairman?

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (14:43)
I’ll, I’ll take that as a no then, and move on. And I guess, we are… Chairman [inaudible 00:14:49], we a little bit out of alphabetical order, but we drafted you over, um, you know only member here that is not a member of our higher [inaudible 00:14:56] committee, but, uh, very important to this discussion, uh, Trevor [inaudible 00:14:59] is with us. He’s gonna serve with us as [inaudible 00:15:03] House Economic Development Tourism Committee, and I don’t think you find any place where workforce is more important than economic development. Chairman Stevens.

Chairman Stevens: (15:13)
Thank you, guys. I’m looking forward to seeing where we go. We all worked very hard over the past few decades to get us the, uh, designation of, um, the number one State to do business [inaudible 00:15:25] decade, and, uh, that didn’t come overnight. Now all we gotta do is fill in the blanks, very slowly and very methodically, so that we don’t do anything to, uh, to harm that designation.

Chairman Stevens: (15:35)
We’ve got lot of opportunity, and, uh, a lot of people are moving to Georgia. We gonna be the fifth largest state in the country in the coming years. Uh, so, people are coming to Georgia for what we got. So, thank you all for serving.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (15:50)
Thank you, Chairman Stevens, and, and we really gonna count on you, I’m… Uh, you know, [inaudible 00:15:55], and, and, uh, hope you can really help us in connecting along with the folks I go to next year, in, in our various chambers, the Georgia Chamber can, you know, activate its members across the state, to bring in businesses, there stakeholders.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (16:09)
But, I know and, and, uh, economic development business, you, you see that first hand on your committees, so we gonna count on those folks to engage, uh, stakeholders and [inaudible 00:16:20], uh, I guess first tell us, you know, what, what, what they need and, and, how we can partner with them to do that.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (16:26)
Um, okay, so, um, that, that concludes, um, our introductions from our members… One final shoutout, is Chairman Pirkle… He may have just missed us today. So, we will brief him, and I just mentioned, um, the-… These folks and ask them if, if they would like to add something. I think there’s a representative from the University of S-… University System of Georgia, uh, we thank you for your partnership. Ya’ll are gonna be a great resource, we’ve talked to you a little bit, um… Uh, Casey [inaudible 00:16:56], did you want to add anything?

Casey (Kasey Carpenter): (16:58)
Thank you, Chairman Martin, we appreciate you, um, having us on the call today, and really starting this conversation off. We, um, h-hear at University System of Georgia, uh, certainly recognize our employment role and preparing the State’s workforce, and look forward to, um, not doing that in a silo, of course, and listening to you all and industry employers to share, sort of where we are today, um, look forward to providing some [inaudible 00:17:22] committee, but also listening to and planning for the future.

Casey: (17:24)
Um, [inaudible 00:17:25] has made clear that, um, he wants a data driven, uh, solution to our, our sort of next, next generation of workforce [inaudible 00:17:33] and somewhere, actively working on that at the University System, and look forward to getting your input, um, and taking, taking directions. So, appreciate you having us. Thank you.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (17:42)
Thank you, [inaudible 00:17:43]. Um, n-next, the Technical College System of Georgia, I don’t know if we have, uh, a representative on, or them…

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (17:52)
There you go, [inaudible 00:17:53]. Hey, how are you doing?

Speaker 13: (17:55)
I’m good-

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (17:55)
Good to see you.

Speaker 13: (17:55)
Good to see you as well.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (17:57)
Before you, uh… Before I let you introduce yourself, I, I wanna make a point that, uh, um, you opened my eyes to… When, when we spoke at the, the Chamber, uh , Committee, uh, down in Savannah, or down in Saint Simons, and, and that was, um… She mentioned the, um, the career grants that we have, her career grants, and, and we, we talked about this year, about the, um, completion thing that, that we did, and, and our house [inaudible 00:18:26] to, to have help students cross the finish line.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (18:28)
But one of the things that I’m gonna kinda preview here before I go to her is, uh, she mentioned these career grants, and I don’t think we do a good enough job telling traditional students that that is out there. So, when we talk about not having need space funding, for people that wanna get into a workforce, I think sometimes, we, we don’t do that well enough.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (18:50)
And she made that point down, uh, as part of that panel discussion, and it really turned a light on for me, and, and I want us to, uh, break that out later, and, um, you know, we don’t have time this, this morning [inaudible 00:19:03], to do it.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (19:03)
But I want you to, to talk to the committee when we get back together about not just the, the career grants that pay the, you know, tuition fees and, and so forth, but how there are other things you can roll into from a federal perspective, that can get these folks in, in paying jobs quickly and with l-l-limited or no out of pocket costs. That was, I mean, there was just a great light you turned on for me, and I want you to share that with the committee.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (19:29)
So, I, I took away your [inaudible 00:19:31], but please, uh, t-tell us about yourself and, and what you like to see us look at, at… The committee.

Speaker 13: (19:37)
Well, um, greetings all. [inaudible 00:19:39] And, um, so my office administers the [inaudible 00:19:48], that we received that goes to, uh, our local workforce development areas.

Speaker 13: (19:53)
[inaudible 00:19:53] job training for individuals who have barriers to employment. Um, and of course, I-I’m here in representation of the, the system, system offices of all of our 22 technical colleges of the work that we do. And, uh, I just want to, uh, let you know that, um, [inaudible 00:20:11] is workforce development. That’s really our, our whole hearted focus in every aspect.

Speaker 13: (20:17)
Um, uh, um, the work that we doing is to, to lift individuals up, whether they are, uh, individuals who lack eyes for Diploma, or they’re a traditional student, or they’re a older student returning to, uh… To try and gain some, some better skills to be able to support their family.

Speaker 13: (20:35)
Um, we look forward to working in [inaudible 00:20:37] with, with this committee, and, just wanna, just want to say that, um, we as a whole, uh, really appreciate all the support that we saw this, uh, this past session, um, and, uh, there was some, uh, great legislation pass that we felt like, we could do a lot of good stuff with, around apprenticeships and, and, um, you know, the, the other, uh, legislation that you mentioned, uh, Chairman Martin.

Speaker 13: (21:00)
So, I just look forward to, to helping, uh, this group carry your vision forward.

Speaker 13: (21:09)
You muted, sir. You muted.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (21:12)
Yes. I was… I had a little allergy over here, cough, that was coming in. I was afraid I was… Over, uh… Or competing with you for audio.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (21:21)
Um, Georgia State of Finance, uh, Commissioner Riley. President Riley, I, I don’t know, are you commissioner, president, I think, uh, president over there, correct?

President Riley: (21:30)
Ye-… Good morning, Mr. Chairman, thank you and delighted to be with you, and members of the committee today, uh, [inaudible 00:21:38] University System [inaudible 00:21:40] System.

President Riley: (21:40)
We’re excited to be part of this conversation, and hope to add whatever data on [inaudible 00:21:48] and our many programs that have helped develop our workforce in the past. And, uh, provide insights on any, uh, suggestions and ideas that might come out of this committee for changes to the existing programs or potential new programs that can help grow our workforce and get folks out there quickly, with minimum out-of-pocket expense and to keep that student dept down to a small, as potentially possible for every Georgia student.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (22:16)
Thank you, President. I, I think I’m , I’m gonna just brief put a exclamation here. Um, President Riley points out th-… Some things that I think we can help with the committee do… Uh, we can, as a committee help her do, and that is, uh, you know, trace the affectiveness and efficiency of, of [inaudible 00:22:36]. Those would be dollar, you know, [inaudible 00:22:38] dollars in some cases, they would be state dollars, in other cases…

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (22:42)
But to provide some measureables on those, um… So, that we can, you know, you can do a better job of, of, you know, guiding our human capital, but, um, watching our, um, our, um, dollars, our state dollars, uh, just, just capital investments, uh, toward doing, doing, uh, that.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (23:01)
So, we’re, uh, looking forward to working with, with her on those, um, those plans and, and to see the information that she has collected, you, uh… We, we gonna be very surprised that, that some of the great information we gonna have in our disposal from, from her.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (23:17)
Um, I’m gonna mention two, two folks that, I, I have listed that, we don’t have on the caller. I don’t believe, this morning, and, and if they are… If we do, we can speak up, but, uh, Chairman Dubnik, we, we didn’t actually, uh, reach out and ask somebody from the Georgia department of education to join us this morning. We didn’t wanna overstep our boundary, but, um, we, we do want to be involved as representatives part [inaudible 00:23:40] and, and I agree, I think, um, the, um, coordination between K-12 education and, and higher Ed towards workforce, um, through the University System or [inaudible 00:23:51] is very important. You know, even things such as, you know, how we, uh, measure, um, uh, advanced placement forces and how they’re, they’re graded.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (24:00)
You have to have a foreign… if you want… This, this track of, you know, [inaudible 00:24:05] work over there and… So, we wanna have them, and I just wanted to mention that we not have them this morning. Uh, o-other and also, is the Georgia Independent College Association. We have a lot of people out there in the private college world.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (24:17)
Uh, we wanna involve them, uh, toward, um, you know, maximum, uh, efficiency of our deployment of capital. So, then I would like to, uh, go through the Georgia Chamber. They’ve done a resource to us, so far, in, in helping me with some ideas, uh, in… And I have David, I think we have David (Raynor)[inaudible 00:24:36] from the Georgia Chamber… If, if you’d just like to add a couple of things and we gonna count on you, uh, with [inaudible 00:24:43] for, uh, [inaudible 00:24:45] stakeholder to this and, and talking to us about the needs and, and our willingness to partner with the [inaudible 00:24:49].

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (24:49)
So, so with that, David.

David (Raynor): (24:50)
Happy to, and good morning Mr. Chairman, members of the committee. Uh, we certainly, from the Georgia Chambers perspective, in the state [inaudible 00:24:56] business community, appreciate the, uh, the focus and the interest on addressing, not only our current workforce needs in the State, uh, but our future workforce needs, um, as well.

David: (25:07)
I know that the Georgia business community applauds our record lo-… Uh, record, uh, low unemployment, uh, and the unprecedented economic development in [inaudible 00:25:15], so we’ve had over the last couple of years. Uh, but of course, with that, comes some challenges, with record job growth comes some challenges, and meeting that, uh, that demand for job growth.

David: (25:25)
And so we, uh, we want to remain a partner with you and your committee as we move forward. One point for consideration for the committee this morning, uh, Georgia job posting is quarter two, topped 460,000 throughout the state, and with the top occupations being software developers, registered nurses and commercial truck drivers.

David: (25:47)
So, you can see that [inaudible 00:25:48] industry sector and business size, throughout the state. So, so moving forward, we hope, uh, what the committee may be interested in looking at, and, and hopefully, we’ll examine, we’ll be worker exit, whether that’s through, uh, resignations, [inaudible 00:26:03] tsunami, or [inaudible 00:26:05] that are retiring. Uh, or reprior-… [inaudible 00:26:08].

David: (26:09)
Um, the skills gap is another issue that we have taken a look at, as well as the global talent shortage. Um, and then of course, career pathway alignment, in working with our K-12 education system, as well post secondary.

David: (26:23)
Uh, and then finally, looking at, uh, maybe some issues around the population decline that we’ve seen in some rural areas in the state and how that, uh, overlays with our, with our workforce needs.

David: (26:33)
So, again Mr. Chairman, just appreciate the opportunity to, uh, have, uh, couple of minutes just to address the committee today and look forward to working with you moving forward.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (26:42)
Thank you, we gonna, we gonna count on it, um, we trying… We gonna put, put you guys to work.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (26:48)
Um, we also have a c-couple of representatives from the Metro, uh, Atlanta Chamber. They have, uh, um, done some things… I guess, uh, [inaudible 00:27:00] but, you know, you guys have done things in the, the past that… To try to develop a bit of a launch [inaudible 00:27:06] Um, you know, wh-… Where student, you know, wanna be, and, and what they… Aptitude and attitude [inaudible 00:27:17], so, its very good to listen to that, but I know you have many, many other things.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (27:20)
So, please, uh, you know… We have you… Are, are you [inaudible 00:27:24], introduce yourself and, and, uh, touch on your, your points that you stakeholders are, are looking for.

Speaker 16: (27:30)
Yes, thank you Mr. Chairman and members of the committee. Um, we [inaudible 00:27:37], we excited for the work of this committee, subcommittee and grateful that the Chairman for leading this work and inviting us to be a part.

Speaker 16: (27:43)
Um, does anybody on this committee know, um, economic development is at the heart of what the Metro Chamber does, um, and talent and workforce demands are the number one concern that we hear from companies. Uh, we have a number of partners and member companies [inaudible 00:27:58] who are very eager to support the work of this subcommittee, so, um, we are excited to get this folks onboard and start getting them engaged.

Speaker 16: (28:06)
Um, we also [inaudible 00:28:08] research on barriers to workforce and talent, which we are happy to share, um, and as the Chairman mentioned, the work that, um, the Chairman was referencing, is the [inaudible 00:28:17] science report of talent pipeline report in which we measured the aptitude and interest of students on where there is ove-… Where there is overlap, there will we see, uh, where students interest is and where their aptitude is and where… if we can find that overlap, that may be a career path, um, that is going to really, uh, work out for that students.

Speaker 16: (28:36)
So, we happy to share research like that with, um, with the committee. Um, in additional research that we have that shows, um, skills gaps and other barriers [inaudible 00:28:46]. So, those are some of the resources that we are happy to learn to the committee, and, um, we’ll be updating some of that work later this year, and we look forward to working with the committee to inform our research moving forward, and to also be of service to the group as we move forward.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (29:01)
Thank you, [inaudible 00:29:02]. Did you want to add anything? I will… We’ll let the… You both got on here, we’ll give you a double dip.

Speaker 17: (29:07)
Nope, I think [inaudible 00:29:08] hit everything, thank you Mr. Chairman.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (29:11)
Awesome. Um, let me get back to our… I jumped ahead of myself here, um, g-going for the, uh, potential calendars, so let me, let me back up to, uh, back it off, uh, off target.

Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (29:26)
We-… That was, um, w-what we had for introductions, and it, it leads us… We about 30 minutes, uh, into the call, wanted to keep to an hour, so, so then, t-the key points that, um-

 

part 2

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (00:00)

And the- these are very high level that, that we wanna look at. I think we had, uh… wanna throw ’em out there and just open it up for the members, you know, and their thoughts to add addition ones, but one of the things in, in talking with the, the, the folks at the university system, TCSG, is, is to try to develop, if you will, um, our, our agendas for, uh, I think probably three meetings going forward was, you know, finding our needs, you know, how to, uh, address those and, you know, [inaudible 00:00:36] mentioned it earlier, in the short, medium and longterm format. And to, to do that, we’re obviously, uh, we brought all of you well served, um, you know, to, to develop a thought toward a mission statement. I, I looked and the university system, the te- the Tech College System of Georgia and, and Georgia K-12 all have mission statements, um, and I, I have them written down, I wrote repeat them, but they’re, they’re all, you know, toward, you know, education and, and building a, a workforce or, or building leaders for the future.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (01:10)
Which seemed that, you know, we would want to develop, you know, that mission, um, toward integrating those three. So I think one of the things that we, you know, I would show out, um, is that we wanted to develop a, an efficient and effective manner for integration of, of those three resources in addition to our private colleges to deploy capital resources, um, and, and become, you know, more efficient at developing the workforce of the future.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (01:40)
Um, I think we have to be realistic in the, the economy with inflation the way, uh, we want to. I think we need to keep in mind that we may need to develop ideas that don’t require additional funding, that, that repurposes the funding that we have. Um, I think we need to identify and gather needs from our stakeholders, businesses, you know, what they need and, you know, what they’re just missing when they’re trying to get to people. Um, and we, and we also could look for and we’ve seen some… if you have, and this goes to the representatives, uh, that are on the call and anybody that’s listening and, and to our, our partners at the Chamber, if you’re aware of, of innovative programs that, that may be working as one office around the state for a particular technical college or component of the university system that, that are building, um, connection with a particular industry.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (02:37)
I think it would be good for the committee to hear that, um, and hear how that was done. We may not need to replicate that all over the state for that particular industry, but we may be able to re- replicate the process. So with that, members, do you have, um, ideas of what you’d like to see on our agendas as we, you know, develop a, an agenda for the three me- meetings going forward now? Uh, now would be a good time to sound that out and if not, I’m gonna… the homework at the end of the, the meeting is going to be, one of the things is going to be get us those ideas, uh, as we begin to develop the, the agendas. Does, does anyone have a, adi- additional thoughts?

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (03:20)
Chairman Carpenter, I know you always have something for us.

**Chairman Carpenter: (03:27)
Well I think you guys, um, I mean I think, uh, Representative Park, uh, eluded to my situation and my thoughts. Obviously I’ve been pushing the, the issue of, uh, **opening up higher ed to the DACA recipients in our state, the 20,000, 21,000 DACA recipients, so obviously I’d love to have that, continue to have that conversation, I think it makes a, um, very good sense when you look at it. We’re, we’re already educating these kids in our K-12 system. We’ve got, you know, $120,000 of sunk cost in these individuals and these are high achievers, um, and we wanna retain ’em in our state as ma- as much as possible so they don’t leave, go establish residency in other states and pursue higher ed in a different state, right? So we are losing a lot of kids that way in, in a time when we don’t need to lose anybody, especially extremely talented individuals, uh, I think it’s definitely something we gotta address.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (04:20)
Okay, what else? Anyone else?

Representative Park: (04:23)
My Chairman-

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (04:25)
Sure.

Representative Park: (04:25)
Uh, Representative Park here. So, um, the thought that came to mind is if you’re planning on having three committee meetings, or three meetings with this subcommittee, perhaps you could essentially focus each meeting on the needs of, the needs that exist within the short term, both the medium term and the long term. Um, I think it was David Rainier from the Georgia Chamber saying, uh, you know, one of the big short term needs that currently exists within the state is this, you know, 460,000 jobs that don’t exist, um, or, or, or these open positions that have not yet been filled and certainly again, um, Representative Carpenter has introduced at least one solution, um, I think to help address that workforce gap that currently exists that certainly could, uh, be filled within, you know, a year or two.

Representative Park: (05:13)
I’d love to hear the thoughts and, and additional feed backs of some of those [inaudible 00:05:17] proposals from the chamber, the [inaudible 00:05:20] chamber and other, uh, members of the business community and certainly also from TCSG, but, um, again, I think, uh, perhaps tailoring each of the meetings with a focus on the needs of the short run, the middle run and the, and the long run, um, I think it would be a helpful way of, of breaking down, uh, the agenda.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (05:43)
Thanks, Sam, thank you Representative Park. Um, let me, uh, in fact to try to draw some additional conversation out here and, and [inaudible 00:05:50] I don’t know if you’re with us… yeah, you’re still there. Um, the job postings from, you know, that you mentioned were the, uh, the top three were software engineers, registered nurses, commercial, uh, commercial truck drivers. I know that there’s, uh, been a push and, and again, it was mentioned, uh, at, at a meeting earlier this year that, uh, Coca Cola company, I believe, correct me if I’m wrong here, but I believe they, uh, they donated or, uh, either have donated or pledged, you know, to, to put in, you know, to place, uh, a million dollars toward that effort. Am I re- recalling that correctly, David?

David: (06:30)
Yes, sir.

* (first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (06:30)
Okay, so, so and we said that before is obviously Coke is a very altruistic company, they, they’ve done a lot of things for Metro. Uh, Coca Cola itself and the founders of Coke, I mean, they’re pillars in the, you know, in the community, but Coca Cola also did that because they see a need for that particular, um, job in, within their, uh, within their, uh, distribution business, so that’s great. So, so I guess my question on those three jobs and, and Karen, this would go to you, again for, for, you know, a meeting coming up in the future, not necessary we’re gonna be driving it today, but what, you know, where are some RN’s, some registered nurses that are, you know, where are they just short? You know? You know, we don’t have the people to go there, are they missing one class, are they having **trouble getting through the licensure process, the, do we have compa- compatibility issues with people moving here from other states and, and getting licensed?** So, I think those are the things that we need to find out, you know, obviously we can’t train a, a registered nurse by the fall, right?

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (07:38)
I mean, you, you, you can’t do that, but are there some folks that would like to take that job, but they can’t, or they won’t, for a particular reason? I know, during the pandemic, I know a lot of people got out of the medical business because quite frankly, I think it was, you know, stress overload, I can’t do this anymore. Um, I mean, so part of the workforce things is, you know, is there a way to have a conversation with those folks and get ’em back in part time and that’s working with our medical community to, again, they maybe already are doing this, but job share, those type of things. So is that something, you know, Karen and David that would be work a breakout session is to these are the top five jobs that, you know, are posting and, and we’re, we’re just short of filling ’em.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (08:30)
Like this, this person is applying and checks nine out of 10 boxes and the tenth box is this. How, how do I get that? Um, is it, is that something that would be worth a section or a segment, David (Raynor)?

David (Raynor): (08:45)
Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman. I think from our investor’s perspective, you know, we hear a lot from the, from our partners in the healthcare industry as well as the technology sector, um, and then manufacturers as well, so, um, those are, those are three that come to, that come to mind that I think certainly would be a, a valiant effort for the committee to, to undertake in looking, um, and drilling down more so in those, uh, specific industries. Certainly don’t want to leave other industries out, uh, but I think that’s where we hear of the biggest need at this point from our investors, at least, and, and our partners at the Metro Atlanta Chamber may, may have some other sectors, um, that they hear from.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (09:23)
Okay.

Robert: (09:26)
Yeah, uh, Robert [inaudible 00:09:28]. Um, and that, that part you bring up, those, uh, add some question for me. I mean is it the, the lack of, uh, of capacity in our, in our education system or is it lack of students who want to go in those fields, such as nursing? We heard for years we couldn’t recruit, uh, teachers, uh, and, and, but, but I’m not so sure, I mean, I don’t know if we fixed that problem. I mean that’s, that’s USG’s thing or, or K through 12 or whatever the pipeline is, uh, I think we gotta dig and see, see where the bottleneck is. Um, you know, uh, where we’ve expanded the capacity of the education, uh, institutions that teach nurses.

Jenny Airhart: (10:17)
Agree.

Robert: (10:17)
Same with truck drivers. Um, I’m, I’m kind of curious why Coca Cola felt the need to put money in it. Did we not fund enough capacity to, uh, technical college to train truck drivers? I mean did, did, did we cut their budget by a million dollars where they couldn’t do that training, but now they can with Coke money and I’m all for partnerships with business. I, I, I love that. But, uh, did Coke see something that, that we did not or, or the technical college did not, uh, provide to be able to get more truck drivers?

Robert: (10:59)
So, you know, I, I, I really found a lot of things swirling around, uh, questions about workforce, whether, um, you know, I, I see, I give another example, uh, airline pilots are really, really short. Airlines are scrambling for pilots. We got a program here in the middle of Georgia that does a great program, uh, training airline, uh, air pilots, uh, and people in the airline industry, but we’ve been very hesitant to grow that pro- program at a, at a higher rate than, than kind of what we’ve been marginally doing for the last years and I, and I just don’t understand why. Uh, I just see, uh, you know, USG has a whole staff of, of, of people and, and all our colleges, universities, um, you know, they, they should, I mean, I’m sure they got a, a great idea what short, medium and long term needs are, uh, or either, um, uh, I’d just be curious what, what, what their long run, long range strategy is year to year on, on, uh, where they see the, the needs.

Robert: (12:12)
So I, I, I appreciate this committee and we got a lot of things I think we can, we can look at. So, uh, I’ve got a lot of questions, too, so.

Jenny Airhart: (12:22)
Yeah, uh, Mr. Chairman, this is Jenny Airhart just kind of chiming in, I, I completely support what, uh, what’s being said here in terms of the concept of doing some deep dives into these top five, uh, high demand job arenas. I, I know I can speak from just my district and what I’m hearing from constituents and even my last, sort of, update that I have from some of my sources at PSU and on the issue of our registered nurses, um, the last numbers that I heard is that only one in 10 nursing applicants are admitted, uh, to their nursing program. I’d love an update on that.

Jenny Airhart: (12:53)
Um, and my understanding in the past and what I’ve heard from them is it’s not a matter of capacity in terms of buildings and capability, it’s a shor- shortage, uh, of those nursing instructors. You know, as a mom of a, of an ER trauma nurse at Kin- Kennestone, um, you know, I, I understand the needs and the demands, uh, there. So, you know, the shortage affects a- it affects the nurses that are there in terms of the pressure that is put on them, um, you know, in the absence of a fully staffed… you know, when you don’t have a fully staffed ER, you’ve got this shortage of nurses that affects everyone. So, uh, I fully support the concept of kind of doing a deep dive into these, these areas and looking forward to doing that.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (13:30)
Thank you Jenny and, and Robert. Let me, let me try to loop back, um, Representative Airhart, you make, you make a great point with nurses and just something that… somebody capture this ’cause I can’t re- um, I’m, I’m making notes but I’m not the greatest person at capturing the, the whole thought. One of the things I think we find in nurses in particular, I think it goes back, you know, years, um, was the training and somebody will have to correct me about what the exact, um, not, not the training, um, at the, uh, at the university system or, or at the technical school, but when you do it in the hospital. I don’t know, it, it’s not a-

Karen: (14:09)
Practicum.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (14:10)
Practicum, okay, thank, thank you, Karen. My understanding is that’s where the bottleneck is. I’m not saying it’s there in every place in the state, but in some places that’s where the, the tough thing is, uh, tough thing, tough times are because of what Representative Airhart just said. If you’re short in the ER, it’s ha- you know, it’s easier to do it yourself than do it yourself while you’re training somebody to do it, right? I mean, it’s, uh, does that make sense in the, the nurse world? I’ve never, never walked in those shoes. But, so we, we kind of have a chicken and egg situation. We’re so busy we can’t train, do the practicums, to teach more people to get unbusy. It seems like there’s a little bit of that going on. So to, to capture what… and that goes back to also the commercial truck drivers, Chairman Dickie and so I would kind of capture what I think I heard you say for a session that would be, you know, get with our, our TSCS and university system and make sure that our programs are matching our demands. You know, we, we’re, you know, we’re in 2022. We, we don’t want to be deploying a lot of capital teaching people to have shy horses, right?

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (15:21)
I mean I, I make that as a… because I don’t want to pick on a particular program, but I mean I, I think any professor after any dean at our university system, they look after protecting their degree programs and, and I get that in the academic world, but in the real world, if we’re looking at, uh, deploying capital to meet workforce requirements, it… we need to make sure we’re depl- deploying capital in, in an area to do that.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (15:48)
I know over in TCSG, uh, I think just this summer with the fuel costs that the commercial truck driving school are more expensive to deliver than probably the charge per credit hour, Karen. I mean I, I, you can, can probably… I mean, it’s never gonna match exactly, some things you charge more per credit our hour than you, you need, other things you don’t charge as much, but I think, um, Coca Cola did that because they have a direct need and they wanted to ramp that up short term whereas TCSG plans their programs more on a long term basis and, uh, more of a baseline.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (16:28)
Uh, if you were looking at, uh, two, you know, a 10 year moving average for needs where Coke needed to, uh, fill in the spike. But, um, to capture that, I think, you know, a session, some sessions on directing, you know, capacity and education dollars toward the need, uh, would, would make, would make sense. Um, and, and what about this? I mean, going back to what about a session to make sure, uh, Chairman [inaudible 00:16:58], that we’re letting… that our counselors in high school are actually letting traditional students know the availability of courses at TCSG that can provide them income. Karen, am I stretching it to say within a year? Some less?

Karen: (17:21)
Uh-

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (17:21)
You go into some programs, you, you have some programs that you can do in less than a year that you can graduate with a certificate or, or degree and make $60-70,000 a year?

Karen: (17:32)
I think that there are, yeah, there are some of those programs. And certainly, you know, uh, a lot of our training, our short term training, anywhere from on the, on the economic development side, the non-credit side, uh, can, can be as little as eight to 12 weeks, so we’re talking about getting people… we’re focusing much more on career pathways and stackable credentials, so an individual who’s, you know, very, very low skilled can, can gain in a very short amount of time, some decent skills to get them employable and then build on that to continue to better support your employer in terms of having, uh, you know, increased skill levels but also better support their families and so forth. So yeah, there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of potential for short term training leading to high dividends in terms of payoffs to, to individuals getting jobs and so forth, and meeting workforce needs.

Karen: (18:26)
Um, I would, if you’ll let me, uh, I do wanna speak to just a couple of things and one, I think that considering, um, capacity, and talent pipeline, you know, and building our pipelines is really important and I also think looking at, um, the other factors that, uh, impact, um, student participation or, or students getting through a program of study or a college being able to offer a program of study, um, and I think a, I think a great example of that is, um, you brought up the practicums.

Karen: (19:03)
The practicums, um, you know, Georgia Board of Nursing has certain requirements in terms of instructor to student ratios. Well this past year they just, you know, they just upped that ratio, which is a very good thing for all of us, you know, in terms of being able to serve more students in the classroom and in their practicum environments. But there are those sorts of things. Similar, there are similar, uh, rules around truck driving.

Karen: (19:29)
Um, you know, there… so I think we kind of need to look at the, the whole gamete of, of, uh, restrictions, uh, that impact our pipela- pipeline, you know? Our, um, our flow of our pipeline, you know? How do students get into a program of study and then what are constraints on that program of study by a college? Um, and then where can this committee perhaps have influence on some of those rules or, or things like that that might, um, uh, make it more difficult for a student to complete, or more difficult for a college to, to offer programming or offer, uh, a greater capacity in delivering that programming?

Karen: (20:11)
There, there’s so many different aspects to it, um, whether it’s, uh, rules, [inaudible 00:20:19] rules or, you know, regulations in, uh, industry regulations, you know, those sort of things, so I think there’s a lot to consider.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (20:29)
So, so, so let me make the unpo- the unpopular leap here, is sometimes professional organizations make it harder for people to get in their business and-

Karen: (20:40)
Yes.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (20:41)
I mean, let’s just be, let’s just say it, let’s say what it is, and then there’s a, there’s a valid policy discussion on, you know, is, is… are they just making it harder or, you know, they argue a, a safety factor and a patient safety and such, so I mean, I’m all for patient safety, I see Chairman Dickie, ’cause you’ve been in some of those discussions that I’ve been in. Um, so we’re all for patient safety, but you can’t argue scope of practice issues and, and talk about the, the cost and the availability of healthcare being high and hard to get but then you still require you to, you know, go see this doctor before you can get that thing done and, and, and you know, six months, you know, six weeks to get that first appointment when everybody knows what’s next.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (21:26)
So, um, I don’t know that we can take all of that on, but certainly we can make a point of that and then the operable committees at the house that, that have jurisdiction over those various professions can take our, our data and, and, and apply it in a manner to protect Georgians, but to be reasonable about people getting, getting into the field.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (21:48)
We- we- we’re down to like five or so more minutes. Um, Karen, did you have anything, anything further? I only need a couple minutes to wrap this up so we got, uh-

Marcus: (21:59)
Mr. Chairman, can I say something real quick?

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (22:00)
Yes, let me just, Karen, are you, you’re good?

Karen: (22:04)
Yes, yes, thank you.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (22:05)
Okay. Uh, yes, Marcus.

Marcus: (22:06)
Well I just want to say, I mean I, I agree with everything Karen just said. I mean she makes some incredible points and, uh, you know, David Raynor will tell you we’ve met, uh, recently about the efforts that we’re making as a company to remove the stigma of workforce and workforce housing. I think that… I don’t know if that’s something we do legislatively as much as we do as, uh, leaders in our communities but is making people understand that the jobless lot that we’re talking about our honorable, good, well paying jobs that I think we’ve gotten away from honoring and, um, I think that the TSG obviously works tirelessly to, uh, to, to benefit that kind of community and that kind of workforce. Um, I just want us to continue to see every, do everything we can to support them, but also as we’re talking about things like this in our communities, really making people understand what, what a workforce looks like and it’s not a… that it’s, you know, USG’s doing a great job and providing a lot of opportunities for, for (laughs) countless Georgians, but, you know, not every, every child needs to go to a four year school.

Marcus: (23:14)
These are good jobs, like, you know, uh, Chairman, you mentioned there’s, there are things that you can go get certifications for and be making a good, clean living real quick, uh, in the scope of things. So, um, I just think that, uh, that’s something that we need to continue to do as leaders in our communities is, is talk about what the workforce really looks like and trying to remove the stigma and the stress, quite frankly, uh, of everything else that goes on that comes with the pressures of going to a four year college.

Marcus: (23:40)
Um, something I talk about quite frequently. I mean, we start talking about mental health and how do our kids end up here? Well, now there’s a, there is a, you know, this pressure to go, uh, and perform at K through 12 levels that put you in a position of going to a big school and there’s a disappointment that comes with that when they don’t and some kids just aren’t, aren’t necessary wired for that or ready for that and we need to, we need to honor those decisions and do a better job of that in our community.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (24:08)
Ma- Marcus, uh, I’ll say that and, and let me close out here, we’ll, um, in the, in the closing remarks here I wanna tell you how, how we hope we’ll get additional impact and, and ask you a couple things, but I think you’ve made a great point, Karen made it, uh, David Rainier, I mean, everybody I’m he- this is what I’m hearing and so we don’t have time to verbalize it right now but tell me if I’m hearing this wrong, is it… we, we’ve gotten our mindset in K through 12 as, as schools are graded on, on what percentage of their, their students graduate with college preparatory degree, you know, high school degree, you know, even if that’s not what they end up doing later in life.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (24:49)
And I, I guess what I see it is there’s not an A and a B path. I mean what, what happened to the thing that… in, in the, in the past, if you start in, down one of those, the programs, that you said, Marcus, where you go out and you get in the workforce and you’re doing this, uh, this thing in engineering or construction management or you, you get a, a certificate to start working at this and you’re making 50, 60, $70,000 a year, there’s absolutely nothing that prevents you while you’re doing that from starting, you know, stackable credentials, as you said, Karen, that go toward a two year, four year degree. I mean, I, I’ve heard and as I grew up and I know people before me worked their way through college. It’s… right now the answer is if I don’t have the money to go to college, I go borrow a bunch of money and I go to college, I may end up with a degree that I can make that money back and pay it.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (25:39)
There’s another route to get there in, in this world with the millennials that we live in, and I don’t want to put it on them ’cause it’s, it’s all of us, our age groups now, but we’re an immediate gratification society. There are kids… gotta quit saying that, there are traditional students that are graduating that get into college and don’t see the four year, you know, time that, ’cause some of their, their peers are out of college doing something and making money and they, they start and stop and, and so forth. So we’ll, we’ll look for a section on that, but I, I see probably a, a section of, you know, uh, high school, you know, counselors and what they’re hearing from, from their students ’cause they’re really our customers, too. Are we getting, getting those traditional students what they need?

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (26:24)
Um, all right, we’re wa- we’re at 10:59, I’m wanting to let you go, go an hour. I wanna thank everybody for this. Uh, us in higher ed, um, we’re, we’re, uh, a good committee to be on because we can make a difference for people that make a difference for a lot more people and, and I think this committee can, can really do that. We’ve got a great, uh, group of people across the state and across, you know, uh, party lines, uh, uh, across ideologies, bu- you know, industries and business, so I really look forward to that.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (26:53)
You’re gonna get something from, from our office from Mikayla or Britney that’s gonna ask for some contact information. Uh, we’ll keep it to the committee just so that we can get, get ahold of you or, or, um, know, um, how, how we can reach you. I am looking for the first two meetings to be the week of August 22nd and September 19th. So I’m gonna ask that you all, if, if you have… we, we unfortunately can’t just, you know, individualize the schedule to everyone, but if, if you have some can’t do dates in those weeks, please let us know, um, and we’re gonna get those, those first two dates scheduled. The next meeting will probably be the week of October, uh, uh, probably be October 3rd, um, is, is where our, our meetings will be.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (27:54)
So, we’ll need to do that again, Au- well, we’ll, we’ll get it out to you, but August, the week of August 22nd, the week of September 19th and the week of October 3rd is when we’d like to try to have, um, our meetings, um, to discuss this.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (28:08)
So, we, we’d like to do that, so we’ll get something out to you all. I wanna thank you again for, for doing it and, and ask you each, uh, and everyone to, uh, um, get me directly or, or to, uh, Brittney in the office, um, anything that you’d like for us to specifically, uh, look at as we schedule. If you have ideas, resources that we could, uh, schedule. Also, we’ll try to do, um, our intention is to do these meetings around the state, probably one north of Atlanta, you know, perhaps one, um, you know, down, down on the coast, down in south Georgia, um, and then, uh, on the coast and then one maybe in south, um, uh, southwest Georgia, down, down, uh, in that area. So we’re gonna try to spread ’em out and around the state and, uh, you know, work with our, our stakeholders to get speakers outs.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (28:57)
Does anybody have anything else, uh, in, in closing for the good of the order? No last words?

Speaker 9: (29:07)
Mr. Chairman, please consider the meeting, uh, on the southern part of the state to be in Savannah and I’ll be happy to work with you on that.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (29:16)
Ye- yes, ma’am.

Speaker 9: (29:16)
Thank you.

(first voice) Chairman Rep. Chuck Martin: (29:19)
You bet. Um, any, anything, anything further? All right, well look for an email from us and we’re, we’re gonna count on you guys to get back with us. We really appreciate it. Um, I thank everyone, um, for being part of it and we’re just, uh, we’re just getting, getting goin’. Thank you very much.

 

 

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March 20, 2023 By D.A. King

 

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SB 264 (and HB 640) would allow foreign nationals who are Refugees, “Special Visa Immigrants” and recipients of “Humanitarian Parole” (see also Biden’s parole scam) to move to Georgia and immediately access instate tuition rates. Americans migrating to our state would still be required to be residents for a year before they are allowed to pay instate tuition in our public colleges. The same bill died last year as HB 932. We had hoped the House would let us see who would vote for it.

Please read Inger’s terrific column from that adventure here.

  • Related: Federal court rules the Biden parole scam was illegal. And Biden won’t appeal.

We may want SB 264 to go to the Republican-controlled Senate floor next year – in order to see who votes “yes” in an election year. But we don’t want it to be used as a floor amendment this year because even the Republican co-sponsors of the Democrat bill don’t understand it. They do seem to know the Georgia Chamber of Commerce wants it passed.

Related: For academic year 2020-2021, the average tuition & fees for Colleges in Georgia was $4,739.00 for in-state and $17,008.00 for out-of-state. Americans who relocate here would pay the higher amount in their first year of residence. The foreigners there catagories listed above would pay the lower amount. That is a difference of $12,260.90. 

Here are the sponsors of SB 264:

1. Jackson, Kim  (D) 41st
2. Dugan, Mike (R) 30th
3. Butler, Gloria (D) 55th
4. Payne, Chuck (R) 54th
5. Hickman, Billy (R) 4th
6. Halpern, Sonya (D) 39th

 

The below transcript from the March 16, Senate Higher Education committee hearing on SB 264 which was dropped after Crossover Day, 2023. There is a companion bill, HB 640.

Video here. See March 16, 2023

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  • Note: The Coalition of Refugee Services (CRSA) sent out an action alert on March 20, 2023 telling their supporters to contact the senate and ask this bill be passed. You can sign up for alerts from the CRSA here.
Sen. Kim Jackson (L) SB 264 sponsor – Darlene Lynch, Coalition of Refugee Services (CRSA) & Chair of Business and Immigration for Georgia (BIG).

 

Begin bill presentation in Senate Higher Education committee:

Sen. Kim Jackson (D- bill sponsor)

Uh, and we were working off of Senate bill 264, which is LC500510.

Senate Higher Ed committee Chairman, Sen. Billy Hickman

You’re totally good.

Sen Jackson:

All right, thank you. And I- I want to begin by thanking the chairman for allowing us to have this hearing. This is, um, such an important conversation for us to begin. And so, um, as you can see from the sign that was there, uh, many people who are very much interested and invested in this issue. Um, so very briefly, what this bill does is that it allows people who are resettled here in Georgia via a special immigration status, so what we’re talking about specifically are people who served, um, and helped our military in Afghanistan. Um, people who have been, um, clearly on our side when it’s come to those wars.

They’ve come here with special immigrant status and this bill would allow them to receive in-state tuition, uh, upon being resettled here. I think it’s important to note that none of those folks that have come here have come from another state. They don’t have another state where they could get in-state tuition, right? Oftentimes, this is what we’re thinking about. We’re like, “Oh, we don’t want somebody who lives in South Carolina, say, um, where they could get in-state South Carolina tuition, we don’t want them coming to Georgia and getting our in-state tuition.”

For people who come here who are resettled by our federal government, folks who have been our friends, who have gone through extreme amounts of trauma and yet still been dedicated to, uh, this country, people who are resettled here, this is their home state. This is in-state for them. And so, this bill would allow those who have a Humanitarian Parole status, a special immigrant status, to be able to continue their education and to do that in a way that’s affordable by receiving in-state tuition. If, with that, there are a lot of people who signed up. And so I- I’m happy to yield as much time, um, to them, if that would be helpful, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman Hickman:

Can I ask a, ask a quick question?

Sen. Jackson

Oh, please.

Chairman Hickman:

Um, uh, s- I think, um, maybe Senator Payne and I had a conversation about Dalton, Georgia, and, you know, the Hispanic population, adult and- and- and so forth, and the parents of refugees, but children… I guess the children are also refugees in the school system out there. And [inaudible 00:02:27] when they graduate from the school system, they don’t qualify for in-state tuition. Is- is that a part of all this?

Sen Jackson:

So actually, that’s a separate bill, um, so, and- and one certainly that I hope many of us will support in the future. Um, so, ch- the children that you’re referring to, um, often have DACA status. So, um, they are children who- who came with parents of their own- no- no accord of their own, right? These children are… these young adults, these are, these are young adults or- or children, they’re coming here, um, with legal status from day one.

Um, they, on day one, uh, not only did they come here with legal status on day one, they were picked out, right, from Afghanistan, from the countries that they were, um, and recognized and acknowledged as having either assisted the US military a- as interpreters or, um, being people who are extreme in danger of being harmed because of their, um, support to the US military. So these folks arrived on day one with legal status in our state as a special immigrant, um, whereas the folks that you’re talking about don’t have legal status.

 

Chairman Hickman

Ok..[inaudible 00:03:35].

Sen. Jackson:

So this bill would be very clear, very specific, um, to folks with legal status to be here in the state, and this is their home.

Chairman Hickman:

Senator Payne?

Senator Chuck Payne:

Yes. Uh, this, would this apply to, um, my question is, ’cause I- I’m in the military, I- I remember we had a gentleman that was actually, uh, from Nicaragua, and he was serving in, next to us in the first 504th Second Airborne Division. And you know, was s- and I come to realize since then that we have a lot of noncitizens that are serving in our military. And so, would this… For those who are living here, this would allow them, if they were living in Georgia and states [inaudible 00:04:21] and for, that- that would bene- that would help those to access-

Sen. Jackson

I- I’m gonna bring my specialist here. I- I don’t think that’s accurate. I have a different bill, um, f- to allow those folks to become peace officers in our state. But, um, this is Darlene Lynch. She really is my expert who can answer that question definitively.

Senator Payne:

Okay, thank you.

Chairman Hickman,

So again, tell us who you are and-

Darlene Lynch – (Coalition of refugee Services (CRSA):

Sure.

Chairman Hickman:

… then who you represent.

Darlene Lynch:

I’m Darlene Lynch, and I’m a lawyer here in Georgia, and I represent the Business and Immigration for Georgia Partnership. It’s a partnership of, um, refugee and immigrant serving agencies in the business community, um, and so to answer your question, uh, as- as Senator Jackson said, it’s not possible to become eligible after you’re here. You have to be admitted to the United States as a special immigrant visa holder. So a- an interpreter from, um-

Senator Payne:

Oh…[inaudible 00:05:15].

Darlene Lynch:

… Nicaragua would not have that, w- would- would not have that ability. They’d have to be from Afghanistan or Iraq. However, if they were a Humanitarian Parolee, um, approved before coming to Georgia, yes. They- they’d be-

Senator Payne:

Okay. So this is specifically for those in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Darlene Lynch:

And for others who have Humanitarian Parolee, other special immigrant status.

Senator Payne:

Okay. Okay.

Darlene Lynch:

But it’s not something you can-

Senator Payne:

The reason I identified that, because this was [inaudible 00:05:42] Nicaragua was our [inaudible 00:05:44] (laughs).

Darlene Lynch:

[inaudible 00:05:46].

Senator Payne:

And that is always one of those questions that… He- he fled Nicaragua in a very t- tough time and- and joined the military to serve our country.

Darlene Lynch:

Mm-hmm.

Chairman Hickman:

Senator Moore.

Senator Colton Moore:

Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. So I’m just trying to understand what a special immigration status is.

Sen. Jackson:

Sure.

Senator Moore:

And, um, if I, if I read it off the US Citizenship and Immigration Services Homeland Security website, it says, “Special immigrant is a noncitizen who qualifies for a green card after meeting certain criteria. So, it doesn’t say anything about assisting the US or the state of Georgia, for that matter.

Sen Moore:

Do you want to [inaudible 00:06:27]?

Darlene Lynch:

So the… We’re… this bill addresses three categories of people: refugees, I think most folks are familiar with the US refugee program that dates back from the Vietnam War, and the Un- and Georgia’s program dates back four decades. Special immigrant visa holders are… There’s three programs that the US government have set up. The oldest program, they’re all referenced in the bill, would apply to interpreters from Iraq and from, um, Afghanistan who served as interpreters and translators for certain periods of time and applied for an SIV and then came here.

The more recent programs, there’s another one for Iraqis, and the most recent one for Afghans, who had supported or acted in a trusted role with the US government. They have to get approved by the- the head of mission, um, and then they apply for an SIV, uh, uh, permit. They wait many, many years, up to three years now, to get that. And then they come. So, all three of those SIV programs are for people who supported the US military or the US mission in those countries. And then the last program is for Humanitarian Parolees.

Sen Jackson:

And just to hopefully alleviate some of your concerns, we do spell out the exact code section in the federal law. If you look in lines, uh, 19, starting line 18 through 22. So we’re not, um, we’re not talking about just special immigrants, but we do specify the exact, um, types of special immigrants that, um, Ms. Lynch just a- Attorney Council Lynch just referred to.

Senator Moore:

Okay. Yeah, I’ll certainly have to go read those. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman Hickman:

Okay. Senator Burns?

Senator Burns:

Um, thank you, Mr. Chairman. And- and, uh, thank you to the author and to those who support the legislation. I certainly support the concept. Uh, I think, um, it’s a, it’s worthy for us to acknowledge the service of those who’ve helped our country. A few quick questions. Are other states offering similar benefits? Could you, could you, uh, could you share that and kind of give me an idea of what other states might have chosen to do?

Sen Jackson:

Yes. So, uh, there are other states. Tennessee, um, specifically, uh, Council Lynch might be able to add some more. Um, so, some of this is about clarifying the law. If you, if you look there, um, there is a sentence, um, I’ll see if I can refer to the line, where the Board of Regents is given some opportunity to determine. So if you look at, um, I think line, uh, it started on line 12. 12 through 14, um, the Board of Regents has some leeway already written into the law, and so in other states like Tennessee, um, they’ve actually chosen to interpret, um, that those who come as Humanitarian Parolees, who come with these SIVs, that they’re, that they qualify.

They didn’t necessarily… They then interpreted that and decided to have that kind of generous read already. So I know that’s one example, if, uh, Councilor Lynch can offer more.

Darlene Lynch:

Right. And so, different states are doing it different ways, but right now, there are 10 states who passed similar legislations. And some of them include Colorado, V- Virginia, Ohio, Wisconsin, Vermont, both Democrat, Republican states, and now there are five pending, including in Utah as the most recent one. Um, similar legislation to this bill.

Senator Burns:

And thank you. Uh, another followup, Mr.- Mr. Chairman? Uh, how many students do you feel would be a part of this qualifying group?

Sen Jackson:

Yeah, thank you so much for that question, and- and that’s something we’re trying to kind of get a han- handle on. And we’re not, we’re not 100% sure. But we believe it’ll be somewhere in the hundreds. So two, three-

Senator Burns:

You said we’re talking hundreds, not thousands, probably?

Sen Jackson:

We’re not talking, we’re not talking thousands at all. We’re talking somewhere in the hundreds.

Senator Burns:

All right. And then one more. I apologize, Mr. Chairman. But, uh, have you had these discussions with USG and TCSG?

Sen Jackson:

Absolutely. And those s-

Senator Burns:

And are- are they… I- I would… Their response, how do they feel about it?

Sen Jackson:

We- we’re continuing in those conversations.

Senator Burns:

[inaudible 00:10:26].

Sen jackson:

So those discussions have been ongoing. Um, this legislation, I think the fact that we’re having this conversation, this is a bipartisan piece of legislation that many of you, um, on the majority side have signed on. Um, I think will help us in that conversation.

Senator Burns:

Yeah, yeah, it w- it would impact their tuition, but, uh, I recognize that, uh, um, the- they just need to be a part of the conversation. That’s all I ask.

Sen Jackson:

And- and they are. They absolutely are. Would you like to answer that?

Darlene Lynch:

No, [inaudible 00:10:51].

Sen Jackson:

Okay.

Senator Burns:

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman Hickman:

Okay. Why- why don’t we bring the company speakers so that they would… Let them have about a minute and a half each.

Sen Jackson:

Excellent.

Chairman Hickman:

And so I’ll- I’ll let you choose.

Sen Jackson:

Um, do you have the list?

Chairman Hickman:

I do.

Sen Jackson:

Actually, I’ve got another list. Do you wanna pick?

Darlene Lynch:

Um, sure.

Sen Jackson:

Which, who’s gonna speak? I think if we have Yonas come first?

Darlene Lynch:

Yes. [inaudible 00:11:13].

Sen Jackson:

Yeah, did you want to testify? (laughs).

Darlene Lynch:

[inaudible 00:11:14].

Sen Jackson:

Well, we’ll begin with Darlene, and then we’ll have Yonas speak.

Darlene Lynch:

[inaudible 00:11:18].

Sen Jackson:

Where do you want them to testify from, Mr. Chairman?

Chairman Hickman:

Yeah?

Sen Jackson:

Where- where would you like… Do you want them to do it from here?

Chairman Hickman:

Oh, sure, right there. Yeah. Go ahead.

Sen Jackson:

Yeah? Yeah. Okay. I’ll switch with you (laughs).

Darlene Lynch:

Um, thank you all, and, uh, for the opportunity to share our support for this bill. Um, and thank you for the sponsors of this bill on this committee. Again, my name’s Darlene Lynch, chair of the Business and Immigration for Georgia Partnership. I want to, um, start by saying this bill arose out of months of work on the House side of a bipartisan study committee on how to maximize Georgia’s global talent. And what we recognized is that one in 10 Georgians is foreign born today. One-tenth of our population. Um, one-seventh of our workforce is foreign born. And yet we have so much talent that we have yet to tape.

And so the Global Talent Study Committee, um, looked at what are the barriers? How can remove the, we remove those barriers? And the number one recommendation was to address the barriers to admission to Georgia public colleges. That was the number one recommendation for really strengthening our workforce. Um, and every member of that committee, both Republicans and Democrats, sponsored the- the bill, the version of the, of the bill you have before you today in the House last year. And that was HB932.

So today, we continue the work, and we have a companion bipartisan bill in the House as well. And that bill is sponsored by Sen- uh, Representative Holcomb and Hitchens, both US veterans. Um, so there’s a lot of support for this bill, um, we’ve been doing a lot of education around this bill. And as I said, it’s part of a national effort to recognize the support that people from other countries have given to our country overseas. I just wanna, uh, clarify a little bit about Georgia’s history, uh, in this, uh, regard. Georgia has a-

Chairman Hickman:

30 seconds.

Darlene Lynch:

Okay. Proud history dating back four decades of welcoming refugees. Um, they’re vetted, screened, and approved by the US, and then resettled with the state of Georgia’s help. We have a state refugee program. And so we resettle a few thousand people every year, including many children and youth who had their education, um, disrupted. The bill makes a very small change, um, as we said, um, to ensure that they are treated as in-state students as soon as they are resettled here, because they have no other state, uh, to go. I’ll end by saying this bill addresses several challenges at once.

Chairman Hickman:

Yes, ma’am. Thank you. That- that’s it. I’m sorry.

Darlene Lynch:

[inaudible 00:13:58]. Okay (laughs). Thank you.

Chairman Hickman:

Sorry. Um, we are short on time…[inaudible 00:14:05]…

Sen Jackson:

Yeah. Um, Yonas, if you could [inaudible 00:14:05].

Chairman Hickman:

Thank you, ma’am. I appreciate that. Give us your name and what you do.

Yonas Abraha:

Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Senator Kim-

Chairman Hickman:

Mm-hmm.

Yonas Abraha – Coalition of Refugee Services (CRSA):

… and Senators, thank you. My name is Yonas Abraha. I am the co-chair for CRSA, which is the Coalition of Refugee, uh, Resettlement, uh, Service Agencies. So CRSA helps the refugee when they arrive here, and the coalition has about 23, uh, different organizations. And before that, if you allow me, I was just sitting here thinking if this would be an opportunity where I come from, I would not have been refugee. So thank you for that. Because most of us end up refugees, leaving our school, our family, everything behind, because of this opportunity democracy offers. So for that, thank you.

So, um, our organization, our coalition supports this bill. The reason we support this bill is as soon as, um, some of the a- agencies receive, they welcome the refugees when they arrive here at the Atlanta Airport. That’s the first airport that they come. Once they come to the airport, the first thing they ask is if they left their school, uh, “I wanna continue my education. I wanna continue my education,” because by doing that is the way for them to give back to the country that has given them opportunity.

And for us to tell them, “Hey, you c- you can’t, you can’t afford it because y- you are considered out of state,” it’s very difficult to explain that, because this is the only state that they have. And a lot of them, they have, s- especially like the Afghanis and now the U- the Ukrainians, they have left s- like, they have certification that they need in order to continue with their career. So for all that reasons, we say this is a fair bill. This is a necessary bill that we needed, because Georgia is one of the best state. I came as a refugee. I’m a [inaudible 00:16:04] refugee.

I came here, went to Cross Hill High School. I went to West Georgia. I went under my undergrad. I like it so much there, I got my master’s from West Georgia. I was even thinking about becoming a professional student, which was not possible, but I like [inaudible 00:16:18]. So, for that, most of Georgians, you know, they help us. For me, for those from my school, for my teachers, all those things I would not have gotten. So we, as the coalition, we are asking for this bill as soon as possible, if it’s possible. Thank you.

Chairman Hickman:

Yes, sir. Thank you. Senator Jackson, one- one more person.

Sen Jackson:

[inaudible 00:16:38]. Just one?

Chairman Hickman:

Yeah. We- we’re running out of time.

Sen Jackson:

[inaudible 00:16:45].

Chairman Hickman:

It’s a great- great presentation. We appreciate them.

Sen Jackson:

[inaudible 00:16:48] fixed here.

Chairman Hickman:

You need to listen up then.

Hassene Alacuzi:

So, thank you.

Chairman Hickman:

Yes, ma’am.

Hassene Alacuzi:

It’s honor to be here and talk about the positive [inaudible 00:17:03]-

Chairman Hickman:

You need to a little louder [inaudible 00:17:03].

Hassene Alacuzi:

… on this bill. I’m Hassene Alacuzi one of the new [inaudible 00:17:08] Afghan refugee in Georgia. I’ve been here for one year and my family relocated here after the Taliban take over the country. Most of my family members are here and we are all excited and motivated to track our career back here. And also we are excited that what the youth provide for us, especially for me as a woman from Afghanistan. Before the Taliban seized in Afghanistan, the number of children out of the school were 3.7. When the Taliban seized in Afghanistan, the Taliban banned women from education.

So the number moved to 6.2 million peoples or children. Today, Afghanistan is the only country that forbidden half of its population from education, which are girls and women. So, the new [inaudible 00:17:59] Afghan and the USA are the only hope of my country. I’m optimistic that one day they leave the country, they break the chain of human right violation, and this inequality of mine, in my country. However, beginning a new life in USA is not easy. We face many challenges.

Since coming to USA or to Georgia, I have been looking for opportunities to obtain my master’s degree in public health in Georgia, and also to support my family financially at the same time. But I couldn’t make this in Georgia. So I didn’t give up. And I lo- I have been, I began looking for opportunities in other state. Uh, happily I made it, and now I’m awarded the prestigious, uh, scholarship of Peter Salama with the School of Johns Hopkins, uh, School of Public Health. And, uh, so, I’m leaving Georgia, but I’m optimistic one day I can be productive to the economy of this country.

Chairman Hickman:

[inaudible 00:19:05].

Hassene Alacuzi:

My second homeland [inaudible 00:19:07].

Chairman Hickman:

Thank you, ma’am. Great. Thank you. Thank you so very much for being here. Um, [inaudible 00:19:12]-

Senator Burns:

Just a, just a quick- quick question, please. First, uh, thank you, thank you for coming and thank you for sharing. Um, where did you, uh, what is your undergraduate work in?

Hassene Alacuzi:

So I did my under-… Ah, yes. I did my undergrad in [inaudible 00:19:23] B- Bachelor of Public Health.

Senator Burns:

Very good.

Hassene Alacuzi:

And then I start working with Minister of Public Health of Afghanistan and then I continue my career with UNICEF or United National Children Emergency Fund as a nutrition officer. And I work with the, uh, Nutrition Emergency and Development program for around five years.

Senator Burns:

Thank you. And- and- and currently, are you employed? Do you have the opportunity to work?

Hassene Alacuzi:

Yes. I’m working as an interpreter with the Department of Public Health of Georgia.

Senator Burns:

Mm-hmm.

Hassene Alacuzi:

With the d-… Yes, thank you so much.

Senator Burns:

Thank you.

Hassene Alacuzi:

Yeah. With the DeKalb County Board of Health Refugee Program.

Senator Burns:

Thank you very much. I appreciate you.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Senator Burns:

Thanks for being here.

Hassene Alacuzi:

Thank you. Thank you for the [inaudible 00:20:03].

Chairman Hickman:

Thank you, Senator Burns, for the question. Let’s do one more.

Sen Jackson:

May I have one moment?

Chairman Hickman:

One more please.

Sen Jackson:

Uh, one more speaker or may I close?

Chairman Hickman:

One more, no, one more speaker.

Sen Jackson:

Yeah, oh, well, great. Um-

Chairman Hickman:

I wish we had more time. This is very interesting. But we don’t.

Sen Jackson:

No, that’s- that’s okay. Um, [inaudible 00:20:18].

Speaker 9 (*?):

[inaudible 00:20:18].

Sen Jackson:

David? Um, if David Garcia from GALEO?

Chairman Jackson:

Tell us your name and tell us your, where you come from and tell us what you’re doing now.

David Garcia:

Uh, uh, sure. Thank you for having me. I’m David Garcia. I work for an organization named GALEO Impact Fund. And we advocate for the Latino/Hispanic community throughout Georgia. I’m also a first generation US citizen, uh, Georgia resident, college graduate, and military veteran. Um, I graduated from Marietta High School and joined the Marine Corps shortly after. I served as a US embassy guard in Peru, China, and Serbia, and I also worked as a contractor for the US Department of State in Mexico, Bosnia, and Iraq.

And throughout my time in service, I had the privilege of working closely alongside many host country nationals who- who were vital to- to advancing US entrance worldwide. Uh, during my time in Iraq, I routinely worked with many young Iraqis who had committed most of their lives to supporting our efforts there, and their support, warmth, and commitment to our mission was vital to- to our success. And the same can be said for the thousands of Afghan citizens who’ve supported our efforts out there as well. Um, I currently live in Decatur, Georgia, which is very close to Clarkston, where I volunteer with many refugee serving agencies, including Clarkston Community Center, Refugee Coffee, Friends of, Friends of Refugees, and Clarkston United Methodist Church.

I’ve met many refugees and special immigrant visa holders in Clarkston who served alongside US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. And according to the US t- according to the Atlanta History Center, uh, more than 1,500 Afghans have resettled in Georgia over the past two years. Uh, to me this bill is about supporting a group of- of people undergoing major life transitions and- and I can relate to many of the challenges that they face. Um, adjusting, uh, to life after living abroad was very difficult. Um, my first year back in the US after- after serving abroad was- was very challenging, and- and having structure is key in- in transitioning successfully.

Higher education and the opportunities that come with being a student on a college campus can- can help immensely in easing one’s transition, and I think that making higher education more accessible for a group of people who have supported our country and our foreign policies is the least that we can do. And I ask for your support in this bill.

Chairman Hickman:

Timing was just right. Thank you.

David Garcia:

Thank you.

Chairman Hickman:

Thank you for your service, sir. Appreciate it.

David Garcia:

Thank you.

Chairman Hickman:

Yes, sir. Um, we have, um, oh. Senator Hufstetler?

Senator Hufstetler:

Uh, I can do this later, but I guess I wanna make one point. Obviously it’s finance, y’all working incentives and trying to get people, trying to make the state better. The biggest problem we have in the state right now is workers. The limiting factor on our economy in Georgia is workers. And, um, these people are here legally. So I’ll stop there.

Chairman Hickman:

Thank you. Senator Oorock?

Sen Oorock:

Thank you. Uh, uh, I certainly was gonna lo- start with, um, Mr. Chairman, with the- the- the point of our workforce shortage. But number two, we’ve heard from the chancellor of our great university system about the decline in enrollment, and- and the need he states urgently in our budget hearing. So the need to step up, uh, uh, enrollment figures in our university system. And so we certainly have the slots there, uh, uh, and I think the case has been strongly made, uh, [inaudible 00:23:40] for, uh, moving ahead with this initiative. And let’s catch up with Tennessee.

Chairman Hickman:

Thank you. Uh, I think… I think Senator Williams has a statement.

Speaker 13:

No, I’m just [inaudible 00:23:57].

Chairman Hickman:

Y- you had a previous, uh, what? What number are you? Uh, what number is it?

Speaker 13:

[inaudible 00:24:02].

Chairman Hickman:

S- Senator Jackson. Thank you so much. I wish I- I could listen to this for a long time. I appreciate- appreciate your passion and I know the committee appreciates your passion on this. And thank y’all for being here. You know, we, um, let- let- let’s- let’s move it forward. And not next week, but next session, okay?

Sen Jackson:

May I make one closing statement?

Chairman Hickman:

Yes, ma’am.

Sen Jackson:

Uh, so I do wanna thank you so much for having this hearing. I wanna acknowledge that there’s a family that’s come, um, here that’s from Ukraine, um, they came to witness our democracy-

Chairman Hickman:

Oh, wow, cool.

Sen Jackson:

… to be a part of this conversation. Uh, and so, um, I- I understand we’re on a time limit. But I- I wanted to at least acknowledge their presence and, um, and I do hope that we can continue this conversation.

Chairman Hickman:

We will.

Sen Jackson:

Thank you so much.

Chairman Hickman:

Thank you. Thank y’all very much…….

 End of bill intro


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